Fitzgerald tells the story of Jay gatz now because it makes the story more interesting and it provides an insight into the true story behind Gatsby. This new information made the story more interesting for me and they also showed me how truthful Gatsby really is and how his life is filled with mystery.
I think Fitzgerald has been keeping Gatsbys past hidden because up until now nick hasn't interacted with him much, and through nick is the whole story told. also keeping Gatsby a mysterious character draws readers back to the book, wanting to know more about this man. I had my suspicions to why Gatsby was living in west egg on my post about the seperate classes of wealth when he said originally he got his money from his father, yet the "self made" people live in west egg. Knowing his past has answered questions, but what else is he hiding? What are these important phone calls that supersede anything else he is doing at the moment?
I agree with Torin that Gatsby's past is hidden because Nick hasn't really interacted with him much, and the whole story is told by the character of Nick. All we know about Gatsby before this chapter is what Gatsby told Nick about his life. These "phone calls" that Gatsby gets is a mystery, and I think they have something to do with what he is hiding. He never answers them and talks in front of people, he always has to take the phone call somewhere else where he is alone, or he just doesn't talk when he has guest over like when Daisy and Nick went to his house.
I believe Fitzgerald put off the story of James Gatz because we needed to reserve judgements on Gatsby before knowing of the past. I think he forced the story a little too early and heavily, which caused some confused thoughts. Having a background story on Gatsby made it feel like Fitzgerald is helping us ease into trusting Gatsby; despite the sudden twist after the story.
I believe Gatsby is smarter than he appears. His eager want to go to dinner with Mr. Sloane and the lady shows his desperation of caring company. He might throw parties at least once a fortnight, but his guests are on their own. I think Gatsby just wants company without the slightest hint of greed in their eyes. He might know the rich can only gain friends with money, and that's why he offered Nick so often to go on the hydroplane or out to lunch. But with Daisy, he saw that people can enjoy a rich person's company without asking anything in return.
I think he waited later in the book so then we would be drawn back to the book like Torin said in his post up above. I also think he wanted to let us ease in to trusting Gatsby before he told us his whole story.
I think he waited to introduce Gatsby until chapter 6 mainly because it allowed time for us to stereotype Gatsby and become more fascinated with the rumors people were spreading about him. When we finally learn about his past, it builds him up to be a much more powerful character than we first anticipated. (Such as starting at the bottom and working his way to the top.)
I beleive that Fitzgerald keeps Gatsby's Backround a secret because it allows for the reader to be more intrigued. I agree with Amanda because I think Gatsby, before he met Nick, never truely had any real friends. He throws parties to try and earn respect and friendship from the people that go.
Wow his real name is James Gatz now? I never would have thought...but I agree with Amanda. I think it didn't introduce Gatsby until now because they wanted to build up to him like at first Nick doesn't even know who he is then he sees him standing alone reaching towards the green light then he is in conversation with Him without even knowing it and then Gatsby tells him who he is then they become great friends and finally we find out that he is in love with Daisy and that he changed his name when he was a teenager? That isn't as dishonest as all the other characters in this novel. He isn't doing anything wrong really cause Daisy doesn't even like Tom and Gatsby deserves her so I think they introduced him now to let the reader know what Gatsbys plan was behind all these big parties and meetings for tea....just to keep suspicion I guess?
In my opinion Fizgerald put the story of Jay Gatz in the story to show a little twist in the novel. I think Gatsby told Nick the story now because he trusts him even more now and sometime you just have to get some things off your chest.
I think that Fizgerald did put that in there for a little bit of a twist but also just to make it more interesting and make you want to keep reading and really learn who this Gatsby person is. Because no one really knows anything about him they all just assume things and make up things when really they were way off on what actually happened.
I agree with what Hannah said about Fitzgerald putting the story of James Gatz in the middle end of the book. By doing this it adds to the book, It also shows the child hood of Gatsby and how and why he changed his name. Why did he change his name?
I think he changed his name mainly for the reason of starting over. As James Gatz he had very little to nothing. Once he opened up, adopted new ways, and changed his name; he might have felt like new person with a new purpose.
Fitzgerald left introducing the real James Gatz until now because it kept a mysterious feel about Jay Gatsby and who he was and if his stories were real. Everyone wanted to know who he was and where we came from. It's all people would talk about at his parties, who knew what about him and if they really believed it. Jay Gatsby isn't truthful. No one in this book is. It goes with the time period. He lied because he was embarrassed because he was a janitor at one point. And he didn't want anyone to know. One big thing I realized in the book is social class. When Tom and the Sloanes come over to Gatsby, they despise him for being "new money" like new to being rich, because they are all very social and wealthy, and Gatsby is just wealthy, and awkward.
Is Fitzgerald commenting on humanity in general here? Is he judging people for being so fickle? They don't like Gatsby but yet they hang out with him, attend his parties, and are curious about his past. Is Fitzgerald passing judgement on these types of people? If so, what might Fitzgerald say to these people?
I think Fitzgerald waited until now to introduce Gatsbys passed to create more of a mystery. We didnt know much about him until this chapter and it kept you constatnly wondering what his big secret was that he was hiding. Also i agree with Torin that there were clue that he was lying about his past when it said self made people lived in West Egg. Also i think Fitzgerald told us about his past to help us understand Gatsby better and have more emotion towards his character.
I feel like fitzgerald said the story about Gatsby during this time to show more why he likes and knows Daisy allowing us to show more emotion to the love they have between each other I also think that he is commenting on humanity. He judges the people a little bit but mostly he pays no heed to them he just feels like they come and go and they are there for the fun not for him.
I agree with Jerrico that Fitzgereld decided to tell this story now to show the emotions between the characters, but I also have a question for him. Jerrico, what is the comment of humanity that you mentioned. I can not find any comments on humanity in that story about Jay Gatz.
I agree with Stacy and Brooke. I think Fitzgerald kept jay Gatsby a mystery to build up the suspence and to let the reader picture and decide what was true about gatsby and choose which stories told about him was a lie or not. It let the reader try to put all the little peices together to figure out what suits gatsbys character best. Gatsby throws all these partys because he was hoping that daisy would wander in to his house one day and he would be able to see her again but also another reason why gatsby threw all these parties was to become more social with rich and wealthy people and to show off all of his things and what he has and he doesn't mind alll the stories about him because he doesn't want anyone to know the truth so he just let's everyone think what they want to think about him so that his past and how he got rich is not given away and kept to himself because he doesn't want anyone to know the truth so he's good at telling lies to get peopleto believe his story so that they won't go looking around for the real truth about gatsby.
I also concur with Torin. The reader knows only what is revealed to Nick so we couldnt possibly know Gatsby's secrets until nick knows. I enjoy mysterys and the mystery of Gatsby's past is no exception, not knowing just makes me want to continue reading to find out. All in all Gatsby was not an honest person, much like everyone else in this story, even though his lies were justified.
What is he is saying about humanity is pretty clear, most are self centered "individuals" that will enjoy a mans hospitality and then talk smack about him when he isn't around. Fitzgerald would most likely say nothing to those sort of people. They are beneath him.
That's a rather interesting question. Wether or not it was to add a great deal of suspense for the reader or a ever growing curiousity that only Gatsby can make you wonder. As you could see when Gatsby had his big house partys. Invited alot of people, but never introduced himself to his guests. Which people will eventually start rumors about this man. I agree with Cody. If it wasn't for Nick we may have never found out the deep mysterys that surrounding Mr. gatsby.
I think that the story of Jay wasn't told until now to keep us wondering abut who Gatsby really is, and after it is told it justifies a lot of stuff about Gatsby which made you wonder. This makes me connect with Gatsby and understand him a little more. Gatsby wasn't completely honest about himself but it was more of a justifiable lie.
I believe that Gatsby has been hidden away from the reader to build up anticipation up until now. It drew in the reader because I'm sure that everyone reading was really curious on what Gatsby's secret was, I know I was. I like how Gatsby is becoming more honest with Nick, not only because Nick is a trusting guy but because he has to to start getting a hold of Daisy.
As the story goes on, the actual background of Gatsby is still a mystery. James Gatz is a story that a news reporter reported and that may be a background of Gatsby. Gatsby is very hidden and mysterious, he likes to keep to himself.
He is not really truthful because whenever he wants to tell Nick something, he usually always stutters what he wants to say or changes it.
Well I think that Fitzgerald told the story of JAY GATZ to make the book more intresting, he wanted to keep him a secret to make us want to know who he really is. He is not truthful because he's been hiding stuff this whole time.
I think he didnt tell about gatsby till now because he wanted to keep the readers going, see how long he can keep them entertained without giving out he entire story right away. Gatsby didnt really have any real freinds until Nick came along, he was always throwing big parties trying to win freindship instead of earning it. He wasnt a very honest man, he would always change up his story somehow to make it sound more dramatic. I think Gatsby is a well portrayed character that likes to keep to himself.
Fitzgerald starts to tell the story of Gatsby's past life as James Gatz because this is obviously a story about him but it's deeper than that. Fitzgerald keep his past a secret because for the beginning because it made the story more interesting to the audience, and it kept them hooked. He tried to stereotype rich people through Gatsby, but what he really did was show that some people aren't always stuck at the bottom and can move to the top. I see JG as person who just wanted a better life and got there but when tommorow came he wanted to live in the past with Daisy, so he wasn't very truthful to himself, and he was't truthful for being himself as James Gatz.
I feel that the author waits to share so much of gatsby is to add a bit of mystery to the story make it a bit of a easier and more likable read. i know that if the author didn't add a sort of excitement in the book i wouldnt be commenting on chapter 6. But really gatsby wasn't very truthful to himself as mr ricky Bobby says but he really just hasn't been one of those few honest people in the story and you see that with his ways to even get to meeting daisy again and the way he had it done was kind of odd or like a elementary crush that you have your friend ask out for you just straight up silly.
Fitzgerald tells the story of Jay Gatz to give his readers some insight into his past. Before he tells Gatz's story, we knew very little about Gatsby and know what happened in his past and how he met Daisy made the story more interesting. Also, he verifies everything that Gatsby has told about himself such as being an Oxford man and how he came to be so rich.
I think Fitzgerald tells the story about Gatsby to provide the readers information about his past. Once he tells his story, it gave me a new perspective on Gatsby seeing how he earned his money and finding out he did it all for Daisy, yet it wasn't good enough. I think Gatsby is very truthful and honest, especially after opening up to Nick. That shows that he knows he can trust Nick and tell him anything.
Fitzgerald tells the story of Jay gatz now because it makes the story more interesting and it provides an insight into the true story behind Gatsby. This new information made the story more interesting for me and they also showed me how truthful Gatsby really is and how his life is filled with mystery.
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ReplyDeleteI think Fitzgerald has been keeping Gatsbys past hidden because up until now nick hasn't interacted with him much, and through nick is the whole story told. also keeping Gatsby a mysterious character draws readers back to the book, wanting to know more about this man. I had my suspicions to why Gatsby was living in west egg on my post about the seperate classes of wealth when he said originally he got his money from his father, yet the "self made" people live in west egg. Knowing his past has answered questions, but what else is he hiding? What are these important phone calls that supersede anything else he is doing at the moment?
ReplyDeleteI agree with Torin that Gatsby's past is hidden because Nick hasn't really interacted with him much, and the whole story is told by the character of Nick. All we know about Gatsby before this chapter is what Gatsby told Nick about his life. These "phone calls" that Gatsby gets is a mystery, and I think they have something to do with what he is hiding. He never answers them and talks in front of people, he always has to take the phone call somewhere else where he is alone, or he just doesn't talk when he has guest over like when Daisy and Nick went to his house.
DeleteI believe Fitzgerald put off the story of James Gatz because we needed to reserve judgements on Gatsby before knowing of the past. I think he forced the story a little too early and heavily, which caused some confused thoughts. Having a background story on Gatsby made it feel like Fitzgerald is helping us ease into trusting Gatsby; despite the sudden twist after the story.
ReplyDeleteI believe Gatsby is smarter than he appears. His eager want to go to dinner with Mr. Sloane and the lady shows his desperation of caring company. He might throw parties at least once a fortnight, but his guests are on their own. I think Gatsby just wants company without the slightest hint of greed in their eyes. He might know the rich can only gain friends with money, and that's why he offered Nick so often to go on the hydroplane or out to lunch. But with Daisy, he saw that people can enjoy a rich person's company without asking anything in return.
Why do you think Fitzgerald waited until so late into the book to talk about James Gatz?
DeleteI think he waited later in the book so then we would be drawn back to the book like Torin said in his post up above. I also think he wanted to let us ease in to trusting Gatsby before he told us his whole story.
DeleteI think he waited to introduce Gatsby until chapter 6 mainly because it allowed time for us to stereotype Gatsby and become more fascinated with the rumors people were spreading about him. When we finally learn about his past, it builds him up to be a much more powerful character than we first anticipated. (Such as starting at the bottom and working his way to the top.)
DeleteI beleive that Fitzgerald keeps Gatsby's Backround a secret because it allows for the reader to be more intrigued.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Amanda because I think Gatsby, before he met Nick, never truely had any real friends. He throws parties to try and earn respect and friendship from the people that go.
Wow his real name is James Gatz now? I never would have thought...but I agree with Amanda. I think it didn't introduce Gatsby until now because they wanted to build up to him like at first Nick doesn't even know who he is then he sees him standing alone reaching towards the green light then he is in conversation with Him without even knowing it and then Gatsby tells him who he is then they become great friends and finally we find out that he is in love with Daisy and that he changed his name when he was a teenager? That isn't as dishonest as all the other characters in this novel. He isn't doing anything wrong really cause Daisy doesn't even like Tom and Gatsby deserves her so I think they introduced him now to let the reader know what Gatsbys plan was behind all these big parties and meetings for tea....just to keep suspicion I guess?
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion Fizgerald put the story of Jay Gatz in the story to show a little twist in the novel. I think Gatsby told Nick the story now because he trusts him even more now and sometime you just have to get some things off your chest.
ReplyDeleteI think that Fizgerald did put that in there for a little bit of a twist but also just to make it more interesting and make you want to keep reading and really learn who this Gatsby person is. Because no one really knows anything about him they all just assume things and make up things when really they were way off on what actually happened.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what Hannah said about Fitzgerald putting the story of James Gatz in the middle end of the book. By doing this it adds to the book, It also shows the child hood of Gatsby and how and why he changed his name. Why did he change his name?
DeleteI think he changed his name mainly for the reason of starting over. As James Gatz he had very little to nothing. Once he opened up, adopted new ways, and changed his name; he might have felt like new person with a new purpose.
DeleteFitzgerald left introducing the real James Gatz until now because it kept a mysterious feel about Jay Gatsby and who he was and if his stories were real. Everyone wanted to know who he was and where we came from. It's all people would talk about at his parties, who knew what about him and if they really believed it. Jay Gatsby isn't truthful. No one in this book is. It goes with the time period. He lied because he was embarrassed because he was a janitor at one point. And he didn't want anyone to know. One big thing I realized in the book is social class. When Tom and the Sloanes come over to Gatsby, they despise him for being "new money" like new to being rich, because they are all very social and wealthy, and Gatsby is just wealthy, and awkward.
ReplyDeleteIs Fitzgerald commenting on humanity in general here? Is he judging people for being so fickle? They don't like Gatsby but yet they hang out with him, attend his parties, and are curious about his past. Is Fitzgerald passing judgement on these types of people? If so, what might Fitzgerald say to these people?
DeleteI think Fitzgerald waited until now to introduce Gatsbys passed to create more of a mystery. We didnt know much about him until this chapter and it kept you constatnly wondering what his big secret was that he was hiding. Also i agree with Torin that there were clue that he was lying about his past when it said self made people lived in West Egg. Also i think Fitzgerald told us about his past to help us understand Gatsby better and have more emotion towards his character.
ReplyDeleteI feel like fitzgerald said the story about Gatsby during this time to show more why he likes and knows Daisy allowing us to show more emotion to the love they have between each other I also think that he is commenting on humanity. He judges the people a little bit but mostly he pays no heed to them he just feels like they come and go and they are there for the fun not for him.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Jerrico that Fitzgereld decided to tell this story now to show the emotions between the characters, but I also have a question for him. Jerrico, what is the comment of humanity that you mentioned. I can not find any comments on humanity in that story about Jay Gatz.
DeleteI agree with Stacy and Brooke. I think Fitzgerald kept jay Gatsby a mystery to build up the suspence and to let the reader picture and decide what was true about gatsby and choose which stories told about him was a lie or not. It let the reader try to put all the little peices together to figure out what suits gatsbys character best. Gatsby throws all these partys because he was hoping that daisy would wander in to his house one day and he would be able to see her again but also another reason why gatsby threw all these parties was to become more social with rich and wealthy people and to show off all of his things and what he has and he doesn't mind alll the stories about him because he doesn't want anyone to know the truth so he just let's everyone think what they want to think about him so that his past and how he got rich is not given away and kept to himself because he doesn't want anyone to know the truth so he's good at telling lies to get peopleto believe his story so that they won't go looking around for the real truth about gatsby.
ReplyDeleteI also concur with Torin. The reader knows only what is revealed to Nick so we couldnt possibly know Gatsby's secrets until nick knows. I enjoy mysterys and the mystery of Gatsby's past is no exception, not knowing just makes me want to continue reading to find out. All in all Gatsby was not an honest person, much like everyone else in this story, even though his lies were justified.
ReplyDeleteWhat is he is saying about humanity is pretty clear, most are self centered "individuals" that will enjoy a mans hospitality and then talk smack about him when he isn't around. Fitzgerald would most likely say nothing to those sort of people. They are beneath him.
ReplyDeleteThat's a rather interesting question. Wether or not it was to add a great deal of suspense for the reader or a ever growing curiousity that only Gatsby can make you wonder. As you could see when Gatsby had his big house partys. Invited alot of people, but never introduced himself to his guests. Which people will eventually start rumors about this man. I agree with Cody. If it wasn't for Nick we may have never found out the deep mysterys that surrounding Mr. gatsby.
ReplyDeleteI think that the story of Jay wasn't told until now to keep us wondering abut who Gatsby really is, and after it is told it justifies a lot of stuff about Gatsby which made you wonder. This makes me connect with Gatsby and understand him a little more. Gatsby wasn't completely honest about himself but it was more of a justifiable lie.
ReplyDeleteI believe that Gatsby has been hidden away from the reader to build up anticipation up until now. It drew in the reader because I'm sure that everyone reading was really curious on what Gatsby's secret was, I know I was. I like how Gatsby is becoming more honest with Nick, not only because Nick is a trusting guy but because he has to to start getting a hold of Daisy.
ReplyDeleteAs the story goes on, the actual background of Gatsby is still a mystery. James Gatz is a story that a news reporter reported and that may be a background of Gatsby. Gatsby is very hidden and mysterious, he likes to keep to himself.
ReplyDeleteHe is not really truthful because whenever he wants to tell Nick something, he usually always stutters what he wants to say or changes it.
Well I think that Fitzgerald told the story of JAY GATZ to make the book more intresting, he wanted to keep him a secret to make us want to know who he really is.
ReplyDeleteHe is not truthful because he's been hiding stuff this whole time.
I think he didnt tell about gatsby till now because he wanted to keep the readers going, see how long he can keep them entertained without giving out he entire story right away. Gatsby didnt really have any real freinds until Nick came along, he was always throwing big parties trying to win freindship instead of earning it. He wasnt a very honest man, he would always change up his story somehow to make it sound more dramatic. I think Gatsby is a well portrayed character that likes to keep to himself.
ReplyDeleteFitzgerald starts to tell the story of Gatsby's past life as James Gatz because this is obviously a story about him but it's deeper than that. Fitzgerald keep his past a secret because for the beginning because it made the story more interesting to the audience, and it kept them hooked. He tried to stereotype rich people through Gatsby, but what he really did was show that some people aren't always stuck at the bottom and can move to the top. I see JG as person who just wanted a better life and got there but when tommorow came he wanted to live in the past with Daisy, so he wasn't very truthful to himself, and he was't truthful for being himself as James Gatz.
ReplyDeleteI feel that the author waits to share so much of gatsby is to add a bit of mystery to the story make it a bit of a easier and more likable read. i know that if the author didn't add a sort of excitement in the book i wouldnt be commenting on chapter 6. But really gatsby wasn't very truthful to himself as mr ricky Bobby says but he really just hasn't been one of those few honest people in the story and you see that with his ways to even get to meeting daisy again and the way he had it done was kind of odd or like a elementary crush that you have your friend ask out for you just straight up silly.
ReplyDeleteFitzgerald tells the story of Jay Gatz to give his readers some insight into his past. Before he tells Gatz's story, we knew very little about Gatsby and know what happened in his past and how he met Daisy made the story more interesting. Also, he verifies everything that Gatsby has told about himself such as being an Oxford man and how he came to be so rich.
ReplyDeleteI think Fitzgerald tells the story about Gatsby to provide the readers information about his past. Once he tells his story, it gave me a new perspective on Gatsby seeing how he earned his money and finding out he did it all for Daisy, yet it wasn't good enough. I think Gatsby is very truthful and honest, especially after opening up to Nick. That shows that he knows he can trust Nick and tell him anything.
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